WIKIMAYBE – AAWSAP & AATIP : pourquoi la confusion continue de régner et les questions continuent de s’attarder

par Pascal FECHNER | Oct 31, 2021 | Non classé

depuis décembre 2017, on nous a tous raconté une histoire là-bas’toute une flotte de regard sur le sa une histoire sur une étude d’ovni secrète du pentagone de 22 millions de dollars et l’homme qui l’a dirigée mais maintenant près de quatre ans plus tard un nouveau livre a bouleversé une grande partie de cette histoire selon ce livre ces histoires originales étaient tous faux et ce que nous pensions que nous savions n’est pas le cas ce nouveau livre selon la page 160 vise de toute façon simplement à corriger l’enregistrement oh nous avons trouvé beaucoup mais devrions-nous rejeter les anciennes réclamations et faire de la place pour les nouvelles bien que non toutes les affirmations originales sont contestées, lesquelles choisissons-nous de croire et lesquelles choisissons-nous de ne pas croire, c’est l’histoire qui explique pourquoi, depuis près de quatre ans, la saga qui a impliqué atip asap ufos un ranch en utah infesté par le paranormal et plusieurs anciens membres du gouvernement sont toujours criblés de confusion et de questions persistantes, mêmeavec ce nouveau livre qui vise à corriger le record restez à l’écoute vous êtes sur le point de voyager à l’intérieur du coffre-fort noir

c’est vrai tout le monde, comme toujours, merci beaucoup de vous être connecté et d’en avoir fait votre podcast ou votre flux en direct de choix je suis votre hôte john greenwald jr fondateur et créateur de theblackvault.com et je sais que sur cette chaîne j’ai été un un peu calme ces derniers temps pour cela, je m’excuse, le travail a été un peu fou et, malheureusement, cela doit avoir préséance sur ce que j’aime faire et c’est créer ces vidéos et ces types de présentations pour vous tous maintenant pour ceux qui ne le sont pas Je sais parfois que je ferai des vidéos en coulisses en direct maintenant si vous regardez ce live, bienvenue euh ça va être très amusant si vous regardez la version pré-enregistrée qui tombe plus tard ça ‘un peu plus professionnellement édité et coupé ensemble, sachez simplement vous abonner à cette chaîne de cette façon, vous êtes averti lorsque je fais les flux en direct et vous pouvez participer euh tous ceux qui regardent actuellement en direct, vous pouvez voir leurs questions venir dans les super chats sont ouvrir c’est un moyen de soutenir ce canal et cela m’aide à faire des recherches comme celle-ci, il n’est toujours pas libre de commencer à creuser dans certaines de ces choses et certaines de ces demandes de foia donnent des prix élevés en dollars 100 de ce qui entre par ces super chats vont directement dans cette chaîne et le site Web pour créer ce type de contenu, donc si vous décidez de soutenir génial, merci pour cela si vous ne pouvez pas vous en soucier tout est toujours gratuit mais la plus grande aide que vous peut donner passe le mot maintenant aujourd’hui ce que je ‘Je vais passer en revue quelque chose qui a été un sujet brûlant dans le monde des ovnis ou sur twitter comme certains aiment l’appeler hashtag ufo twitter et c’est le nouveau livre skinwalkers au pentagone maintenant je veux vous montrer ça parce que ça est une copie que j’ai achetée que j’ai publiée sur les réseaux sociaux que je recommande si vous êtes intéressé, soutenez les auteurs, il peut y avoir des choses que je passe en revue aujourd’hui où vous pouvez interroger les auteurs c’est en bonne santé j’espère que je n’offense personne en remettant en question certaines informations, mais dans le même sens, je soutiens les auteurs publiés et j’ai donc vu beaucoup de gens commencer vraiment à numériser et à prendre des photos et à publier des choses sur les réseaux sociaux qui incluent des chapitres complets et des trucs comme ça que je ne supporte pas que ce que je soutiens, c’est de prendre des citations, c’est ce que je ‘Je vais le faire et vous verrez peut-être quelques pages du livre, sachez que toutes ces pages sont sur l’aperçu gratuit d’Amazon, donc je ne vous montre rien que vous ne pouvez pas voir gratuitement sur l’aperçu gratuit d’Amazon, mais encore une fois, je veux à branchez au moins cela à l’avance que je recommande d’acheter le livre si vous voulez connaître toute l’histoire c’est la seule façon de l’obtenir, vous ne l’obtiendrez pas de moi parce que je ne passe pas tout en revue et vous n’allez pas le voir sur les réseaux sociaux et ce n’est pas juste, donc je veux apporter mon soutien à ces auteurs parce que ce qu’ils ont fait et c’est ce que je veux en quelque sorte aller ici est essentiellement d’en apporter un homme en avant qui ne s’est pas encore manifesté depuis décembre ou sans doute octobre 2017, mais depuis que toute cette histoire d’atip a éclaté maintenant, nous ne l’avons pas faitJe ne connais pas l’ossap jusqu’à quelques mois plus tard, mais c’était essentiellement l’homme dr james lakatsky qui dirigeait un autre programme pas atip mais dès que possible dans l’agence de renseignement de la défense, il a été maman jusqu’à ces dernières semaines depuis la sortie de ce livre afin que de moi est la plus grande révélation de ce livre parce que maintenant nous obtenons le point de vue de quelqu’un que nous n’avons jamais entendu auparavant, mais dans ce processus, il y a eu une confusion massive qui a plu non seulement au cours des trois quatre dernières années depuis le New York Times et les politiques bro politico a cassé l’histoire atip mais cela n’aide pas dans le sens à dissiper toute cette confusion je ne blâme pas le livre ou les auteurs mais plutôt je ‘Je vous montre que tout n’est pas clarifié car certains veulent nous faire croire qu’il y a encore énormément de confusion avec tout cela, mais en plus de cela, il reste encore de nombreuses questions sans réponse, alors laissez-moi aller de l’avant et évoquez la présentation que je veux faire pour vous les gars et cela expliquera pourquoi cette confusion continue de pleuvoir en ce qui concerne assap et atip et pourquoi des questions continuent de s’attarder sur l’atip génial parce que je vois ici des points de vue différents que certains veulent que nous fassions crois que tout est transparent et existe depuis des années il y a juste des paresseux qui ne veulent pas regarder les faits bien je suis ici pour vous dire je ne me considère pas paresseux je suis beaucoup de choses comme certaines personnes vous diront uh malheureusement paresseux n’est pas l’un d’eux i’J’adore me lever et ne pas vraiment faire quoi que ce soit, mais plutôt je creuse et je suis autant que possible à propos de tout cela et il y en a beaucoup donc ce que je veux vous montrer les gars aujourd’hui, c’est pourquoi cette confusion les pluies et les questions continuent de s’attarder alors laissez-moi aller de l’avant et obtenir ma présentation powerpoint appropriée ici donnez-moi une seconde maintenant avant de creuser certains de ces trucs je veux vous parler un peu de moi personnellement sur la façon dont j’aborde la recherche je dirais la critique que je reçois j’aime les éloges mais j’aime aussi la critique parce qu’elle m’aide à devenir meilleur mais un point de critique que certaines personnes n’t comme moi fini est ce qu’ils peuvent appeler la minutie des histoires qu’ils sentent que je pinaille que je vais trop loin en essayant de séparer ce que les gens disent ou ce que les gens font ou vous savez quoi que ce soit et pour moi la façon dont j’aborde ces types de sujets et pourquoi je ne suis pas d’accord avec cette critique et et je veux en quelque sorte vous donner une représentation visuelle de pourquoi je fais ce que je fais mais comment je fais ce que je fais et c’est pourquoi le la minutie compte maintenant j’examine chaque sujet comme un puzzle c’est comme ça que je le visualise dans mon esprit depuis 25 ans j’ai couru le coffre-fort noir c’est ce que je fais il y a des milliers parfois des dizaines de milliers de pièces de ce puzzle et nous l’assemblons pour créer une image maintenant certaines personnes là-bas et c’est un peu mon point de frustration parfois et vous’Je vais voir où je suis frustré sur les réseaux sociaux euh est-ce qu’ils sont cool avec les couches extérieures juste là ils sont cool à assembler le puzzle et s’ils voient qu’il y a des arbres là-bas il y a des feuilles peut-être un bâtiment ici c’est tout ce qui compte pour eux et et ils ont l’impression qu’ils ont une image complète parce que ce qu’il y a au milieu ici vous savez l’herbe peut-être un autre bâtiment qui se soucie vraiment nous avons assez de l’image pour croire qu’il s’agit d’une scène en plein air et c’est ainsi qu’ils abordent bien la recherche je suis différent, je dois tout assembler parce que lorsque vous le faites et que vous assemblez chaque pièce du puzzle, une autre émerge généralement une perspective complètement différente de ce que vous pensiez être là lorsque vous venez de regarder la couche extérieure.est différent et ces pièces du puzzle le centre la minutie les petits détails quand vous commencez à trier toutes les histoires et comment tout le monde parle de ceci ou de cela quand vous les assemblez beaucoup de fois et sans doute la plupart du temps vous obtenez un image complètement différente de ce que vous voyez ici donc vous n’avez pas tout ce que vous pensez une chose vous avez tout vous voyez quelque chose de complètement différent c’est comme ça que j’ai toujours abordé la recherche et c’est ce qu’est la voûte noire maintenant crédit à cet incroyable l’artiste oleg shuplayak, j’ai probablement mal prononcé ce mot sur Google, il ‘j’ai des trucs géniaux euh j’ai créé le puzzle à partir d’une de ses peintures euh mais euh encore une fois c’est la meilleure visualisation et une façon simpliste de voir comment j’aborde la recherche maintenant une partie de ce que je passe en revue peut-être pour certains d’entre vous qui aiment Je vis et respire cela depuis octobre 2017.pourquoi je dis octobre pas décembre c’est quand luis elizondo est entré en scène c’est à ce moment-là qu’il a parlé d’un programme de menace aérospatiale qui identifiait ces types de menaces mais il n’a jamais dit atip en octobre qui n’a été interrompu qu’en décembre cette conférence de presse d’octobre par à l’académie des étoiles a présenté luis elizondo au monde et c’est là que je suis devenu incroyablement intrigué par ce qui, selon les rumeurs, serait ce programme secret d’ovnis, puis d’octobre à décembre de la même année, le New York Times et la politique casse l’histoire le 16 décembre 2017 dans mon opinion changera à jamais l’ufologie dans le sens où elle a créé cette tempête de publicité pour ce programme appelé atip la réalité que des phénomènes aériens non identifiés faisaient l’objet d’une enquête par le gouvernement américain ou du moins que ‘C’est ce qu’on nous a dit en décembre et depuis lors, beaucoup de choses se sont passées, vous voyez que sur cette chaîne, j’essaie de le couvrir quand je le peux, mais aussi dans les médias grand public au cours de la dernière euh vraiment au cours de la dernière année et demie, surtout depuis ce rapport euh uap est sorti et c’est pourquoi je dis que cela changera à jamais l’étude de l’ufologie sur les ovnis et c’est ce qu’étaient ces deux articles alors que nous approfondissons et regardons la confusion dans ces questions que je vais soulever quelque chose qui bouleverse beaucoup de gens et pour être assez franc et direct, ceux qui sont bouleversés que je parle de cela, je m’en fiche et voici pourquoi cela ‘C’est mes nouveaux détails les petits détails et c’est ce que je représentais ou représente en réalité euh dans cet article du New York Times et dans l’article politico, nous obtenions deux noms différents pour ce que atip était donc essentiellement la confusion pour ceux qui prêtaient attention à ces petits détails ont commencé le premier jour maintenant, certains d’entre vous pensent peut-être que ce n’est pas un gros problème et c’est l’une de ces choses qui bouleverse à nouveau certaines personnes que j’ai élevées dans le passé mais auxquelles je continue de faire référence parce que encore une fois c’est ce qui a déclenché la boule de neige de la confusion c’était simple comme un seul mot dans la lettre excusez-moi dans l’acronyme de l’aérospatiale contre l’aviation new york times a rapporté programme avancé d’identification des menaces aérospatiales politique programme avancé d’identification des menaces aériennes pourquoi est-ce important c’est clair et c’est simpleLorsque vous recherchez quelque chose, vous avez besoin que ces noms soient exacts et oui les bureaux de foia si vous n’avez pas de mots clés corrects ou de noms complets corrects, il y a parfois un problème avec cela et donc oui, j’ai soulevé cela assez tôt parce que le pentagone avait dit que c’était de l’aviation avancée, je ne regrette pas du tout d’avoir poussé ce point et en fait je suis content de l’avoir fait parce que cela a vraiment apporté un peu plus sur la réalité de l’atip et ce que c’était et selon le gouvernement ce que ce n’était pas ça n’a pas d’importance si vous croyez le gouvernement ou pas peu importe si je crois le gouvernement ou pas mais le fait de pousser cela a apporté plus de détails, y compris comment il a été financé et je ‘Je vais vous montrer cela dans une minute, mais aussi d’autres détails, mais là où ça a vraiment empiré et risqué, c’était toutes ces différentes variantes du nom juste au-delà de ce que la politique et le New York Times avaient rapporté, mais comme ces histoires étaient écrites toutes sortes de noms ont émergé et ce qui m’inquiétait était l’exactitude numéro un mais numéro deux combien de soin était apporté à la vérification de ces histoires ce que vous voyez à l’écran ici les sources les principales sources de ces articles étaient les principaux acteurs clés impliqués dans le programme, donc mes questions au fil du temps et cette confusion a commencé à vraiment monter était pourquoi y avait-il tant de variations et pourquoi personne ne réussit-il vraiment parce que tout cela ne pouvait pas ‘Ce n’est pas vrai, alors pourquoi y avait-il cette confusion alors que leurs sources étaient celles impliquées était-ce du journalisme imprudent que je pouvais acheter c’était de mauvaises sources je ne sais pas mais ça’C’est pourquoi ces problèmes ont été poussés, c’était l’un des premiers documents déclassifiés de la communauté du renseignement que j’ai reçu par foia qu’en fait, tout le monde a réussi à le faire est utilisé par la cia la nsa toutes les différentes branches de la communauté du renseignement dans son ensemble, ils l’utilisent encore une fois, même en faisant référence en interne au new york times et à l’utilisation d’un article qui utilisait l’aérospatiale, ils l’ont retourné et ont dit aviation pourquoi personne sait vraiment que voici la déclaration que j’ai reçue en février 2019, il a fallu autant de temps à la dia pour enfin dire euh alors qu’elle était à dia, c’était de l’aérospatiale avancée maintenant je ‘Je le dirai mille fois, cela bouleverse beaucoup de gens tout ce débat sur le nom, certaines personnes disent bien qui s’en soucie vraiment, mon point de départ était de vous montrer que la confusion a commencé le premier jour et qu’elle ne s’est pas améliorée au fur et à mesure qu’elle continue avec la publication de ce livre en plus de la publication du livre, ils ont, à mon avis, posé une bombe lorsqu’il s’agit de critiquer la couverture passée.C’est une chose pour vous, le péon john greenwald de le dire et de répéter le New York Times ou celui qui s’est trompé, mais quand l’ancien réalisateur ossap qui n’a pas été contesté par le pentagone euh quand ce gars sort et et écrit un livre cela dit unfo et je cite à la page 156 pour ceux qui ont le livre malheureusement, les détails de l’aip présentés dans ces articles et programmes d’actualités étaient en fait ceux d’assap et en fait, beaucoup de ces détails eux-mêmes étaient par erreur le sénateur harry reid a dit lui-même dans l’avant au livre à la page qu’est-ce que 24 en chiffres romains l’article du New York Times a créé une énorme confusion en liant par erreur le financement de 22 millions de dollars à la petite initiative informelle de l’ATIP le 22 millions n’était spécifiquement ciblé que pour assap atip tel qu’il est utilisé par le New York les temps n’étaient pas au plus vite et le plus tôt n’était pas un pourboire le 22millions de dollars ont été contractés par l’intermédiaire de l’agence de renseignement de la défense dans l’ossap pour évaluer le potentiel de menace de l’uap, pas un dollar de cette somme n’est allé à l’atip malgré les déclarations généralisées au cours des dernières années, la page 160 du livre du skinwalker dit que l’un des objectifs de ce livre est pour corriger le dossier afin qu’ils déclarent tout simplement qu’ils veulent remettre les pendules à l’heure et, ce faisant, ils disent à peu près tout ce qui a été rapporté euh a été mal étiqueté et faux maintenant ce sont de grandes affirmations à faire parce que c’était ‘t juste la politique et le New York Times qui l’ont rapporté, l’avalanche s’est propagée à des centaines et sans doute à des milliers de médias grand public à travers le monde s’ils avaient tous tort, le point d’interrogation est de savoir comment ils se sont tous trompés, beaucoup d’entre eux se sont trompés parce que je l’appelle copie et coller le journalisme ils prenaient juste d’autres articles et mélangeaient les mots et se les appropriaient à mon avis c’est juste un graphique d’insertion d’opinion vous savez qui dit euh l’opinion de john grimald mais je crois que le livre blâme sans blâmer ils ont dit à la page 156 la source principale de l’article du Times était Lou Elizondo qui avait récemment démissionné qui avait récemment euh je sais je m’excuse je neJe ne sais pas comment j’ai euh répété que euh la principale source de l’article du Times était Lou Elizondo qui avait récemment démissionné de son poste de pentagone et avait rejoint ttsa et directeur de la sécurité mondiale et des programmes spéciaux à nouveau qui était à la page 156 maintenant souviens-toi dans la dernière diapositive j’ai dit que tous les faits qu’ils disaient tels que rapportés par l’époque dans ces articles étaient faux, donc en substance, ils disent que c’était la source, donc le point d’interrogation est de savoir comment la source n’a pas transmis ces faits avec précision je ne blâme pas m. elizondo en passant, ce n’est pas ce que je dis que le livre est donc c’est ce qu’ils disent dans la même section les articles étaient faux et c’était leur source qu’ils n’ont pas ‘Je ne nomme personne d’autre, alors était-il possible que non pas un mais deux articles qui ont révélé cette histoire de deux grands médias grand public se soient mystérieusement trompés sur les mêmes faits qui n’ont aucun sens pour moi, donc il y a beaucoup de couches à cet oignon ce que nous savons que nous n’avons pas encore vu alors que l’histoire continuait de se dérouler encore plus de confusion est sortie c’était une interview plus tôt cette année de euh avec robert bigelow sur le fil mystérieux george knapp crédit à lui pour s’être assis face à face avec robert bigelow et demander lui quelques questions dans cette interview c’est une chose que robert bigelow a dit j’ai rencontré lou quelques fois n’a pas euh n’a pas vraiment il n’a pas ‘t jouer un rôle dans notre programme de quelque manière que ce soit en termes de qui nous avons déjà signalé ou avec qui nous avons discuté de ce genre de choses, puis il continue en parlant de james lakatsky non pas par son nom mais en se référant à lui en tant que gestionnaire de programme maintenant dans ce interview, il est clair que luis elizondo n’y a joué aucun rôle dès que possible et ils n’ont pas communiqué qu’il n’était pas quelqu’un à qui ils ont jamais fait rapport ou à qui nous avons discuté du genre de choses avec un bon point juste jusqu’à ce que vous commenciez à regarder ce que les autres ont dit pour le même journaliste, c’est pour moi une raison d’interroger george knapp dans une interview en juin 2018, pour être exact, il s’est assis avec luis elizondo luis elizondo a déclaré lorsque george knapp a demandé cette interaction entre vous et votre groupe et les conversations des gens de bigelow bass dès que possible dans les deux sens, vous avez une idée générale de ce qu’ils’re faisant luis elizondo il répond par l’affirmative il dit bien sûr ouais nous n’avons rien fait sans nous parler comment avez-vous ces déclarations de deux de ces individus vont de pair vous n’avez pas celui qui est le milliardaire qui a obtenu le financement de la dia pour faire leur programme a dit luella zondo bien sûr un gars sympa nous n’avons jamais parlé lou elizondo dit oui nous n’avons rien fait sans nous parler ce ne sont pas de petits détails qui sont un conflit majeur de déclaration entre deux acteurs principaux de cette histoire qui a raison et qui a tort, nous ne le faisons pas en quelque sorteje ne sais vraiment pas pour ajouter encore plus de confusion dr hal rebuté nous le connaissons comme étant impliqué du côté de la basse il était un entrepreneur à travers la basse c’est quelque chose qu’il m’a donné en juin 2019 c’était à propos de la déclaration du pentagone que luis elizondo avait pas de responsabilités assignées sur le programme atip donc j’ai beaucoup écrit à ce sujet certaines personnes me détestent pour certains de ces articles euh d’autres euh je pense que j’ai vu l’intérêt de creuser parce que ce qui s’est bien passé, nous avons eu dr hal mis de côté alors qu’il soumettait ceci déclaration et je vais la lire en partie, mais je n’ai aucun problème à affirmer qu’en tant qu’awesapp, en tant qu’entrepreneur et conseiller principal, j’ai continué à assister aux réunions. elizondo’le leadership et la responsabilité de maintenir la continuité de l’effort et des objectifs du programme jusqu’à ce qu’il démissionne bien c’est super il se porte maintenant garant pour lui le point d’interrogation cependant est que le contrat de bass n’est pas passé après 2010. maintenant on peut supposer que dr hal a mis hors tension est resté sur si luis elizondo a pris le relais en 2010 et passera en revue cette chronologie dans une minute dr hal repoussé puis est resté en tant que consultant ok je peux voir ce genre d’intéressant que la basse est coupée mais l’un de leurs sous-traitants reste donc c’est intéressant comment cela a pu se dérouler il y a beaucoup de territoire inexploré là-bas dont je ne vois vraiment personne parler mais j’ai répondu à dr mis hors tension et j’ai dit hé pouvez-vous développer alors dites-vous qu’après 2010, vous êtes soit un entrepreneur de basse ou quelqu’un qui qu’est-ce qui n’a past travailler pour la basse et ensuite obtenu un contrat direct avec le pentagone pour consulter ou faire tout ce que vous savez pourrait consulter ou faire tout ce que vous aviez avec l’atip de luis elizondo, cela pourrait aussi être vrai, mais James lickatsky a déclaré que l’atip n’a jamais été financé alors le point d’interrogation est de savoir qui a écrit dr hal a remis une déclaration de salaire, donc sur la base de cette déclaration, s’il est resté, il doit y avoir un financement de quelque part, je veux dire à mon avis et je ne blâme personne pour cela, vous n’allez pas pour donner de votre temps donc je suppose qui paie et et et c’est là que beaucoup de couches quand il s’agit du pentagone ‘Le côté s atip commence à être remis en question parce que si la basse était sortie, comment dr puthoff est-il resté à l’intérieur, il n’a jamais répondu à mon suivi pour essayer de comprendre ce qui s’est passé, cela n’a fait qu’empirer. Je passerai également en revue cette documentation dans une minute qui a commencé dès que possible en 2008 après avoir été décernée à la basse lors d’une conférence dr hal reportée qu’il a donnée à une conférence à Las Vegas en juin 2018, il a déclaré que les personnes suivantes avaient du mal à essayer pour obtenir des documents du pentagone en disant qu’ils veulent tous les documents sur atip et ils ont du mal parce que ce n’était pas le nom réel du programme programme d’application de systèmes d’armes aérospatiaux avancés est le nom réel du programme mais atip était le surnom il est passé par là a commencé en juin 2007.l’agence de renseignement de la défense s’inquiétait du fait qu’une observation évidente avait montré que des véhicules aérospatiaux avancés ou des drones d’origine inconnue survolaient les États-Unis au-dessus des eaux en fait dans le monde entier, comme ce fut le cas. . maintenant, c’est plus d’une année complète avant que l’argent ne soit jamais alloué au contrat assap en août 2008. alors ce qui s’est passé là-bas maintenant mettez une épingle là-dedans parce que quand je passe en revue la chronologie, vous verrez quelque chose d’autre émerger qui crée encore une autre question qui a également été reprise par George Knapp dans une interview mystère de Luis Elizondo parce que ce n’était vraiment pas une citation que je devrais dire parce que c’était vraimentCela a commencé avant mon arrivée à bord et donc ma connaissance est un peu limitée, donc en substance en 2007, le programme initial s’appelait programme asap c’était ce nom pendant environ neuf mois et ce programme a été affiné plus tard c’était un peu un approche de fusil de chasse aux phénomènes donc encore une fois nous avons une date de début 2007, mais encore une fois la documentation et tous les rapports contredisent maintenant, malgré la controverse sur le pentagone disant non luis elizondo n’avait aucune responsabilité assignée sur le programme atip, allons au-delà de cela et découvrons quand il a commencé maintenant, nous savons tous que pour ceux qui ont regardé la chaîne d’histoire spéciale non identifiée, ils ont parcouru beaucoup d’élizondo’s arrière-plan et ils ont dit ce qui suit ce sont trois captures d’écran avec la transcription officielle euh elles ont été prises euh croyez euh grâce à mon accès de presse à la chaîne d’histoire où ils nous ont permis de visionner à l’avance euh je ne les ai postés qu’après la diffusion de l’émission mais c’est le genre d’écran que vous voyez et depuis lors, je pense que vous pouvez le voir publiquement ou du moins vous l’avez fait pendant un certain temps, mais tout le monde peut le vérifier, ils ont dit dans cette émission dans laquelle luis elizondo a joué un rôle dans le narrateur dit dans 2009 elizondo a repris le programme avancé d’identification des menaces aérospatiales de 22 millions de dollars.Je vais voir dans une seconde dit bien 2010 les 22 millions de dollars selon James Lakatsky ne sont jamais allés à l’aip alors encore une fois comment une émission de télévision qui travaillait directement avec les sources se trompe-t-elle maintenant peut-être que les producteurs ont juste fait une erreur et bien sûr nous peut le mettre sur le compte de cela, mais y avait-il autre chose que luis elizondo dans l’une de ses interviews a déclaré que le programme dès que possible étant donné les ressources, 22 millions de dollars ne seraient jamais suffisants pour vraiment suivre chaque euh dans chaque terrier de lapin pour le faire de manière concluante dans mon avis en tout cas, donc il a été recentré sur atip, j’ai pris le relais en 2010. donc encore un autre écart sur la chronologie ce qui se passe tous ces détails d’ailleurs signifient beaucoup quand vous ‘vous essayez de comprendre quelle est la bonne histoire cette chronologie définit l’argent d’où vient l’argent qui était impliqué qui commandait et avouons-le essentiellement qui dit la vérité tout le monde ne peut pas avoir raison et tous ces petits détails bien sûr les gens peut se tromper de dates euh c’était maintenant ce qui se passait il y a 11 ans-ish euh selon la version que vous choisissez donc c’est cool vous savez peut-être que certaines d’entre elles ne sont que des erreurs mais vous savez quand vous parlez de quelque chose d’aussi sensible à mon avis et encore une opinion ici que j’aimerais insérer, nous devrions faire un peu plus attention encore une fois, je ne dis pas qui a raison ou qui a tort dans cette présentation, mais je souligne plutôt les énormes écarts dans la chronologie l’histoire la revendique les faits et ce que nous’J’ai été amené à croire à une présentation qui a été faite à mufon, cela a été édité pour euh un peu et mis sur l’académie des arts et des sciences des étoiles ou les diapositives de la chaîne youtube de ttsa ont été montrées par luis elizondo dans l’une de ces diapositives vous ‘Je verrai le violet surligné un point culminant était mon accent 2008 dès que possible est officiellement changé en atip par l’ancien directeur de programme pour se concentrer plus étroitement sur les cinq observables et la recherche d’applications de physique avancées mais comme nous le savons dans le livre de toute façon pour ceux qui l’ont lu c’était a seulement dit que c’était un surnom qu’atip n’était jamais rien dans le dia et que l’atip que nous savons que c’était un non officiel non financé et ils ont utilisé le mot programme non officiel exploité à partir du pentagone alors que s’est-il passé en 2008 selon m. elizondo deux pleins ans ou au moins près de deux ans avant qu’il ne prenne en charge cet atip avait déjà été transformé et euh utilisé pour se concentrer sur ces cinq observables qui ne vérifient pas avec les nouvelles informations qui ont été présentéesobservables qui ne vérifient pas avec les nouvelles informations qui ont été présentéesobservables qui ne vérifient pas avec les nouvelles informations qui ont été présentées

in 2009 this kind of reinforces that in 2008 a transfer to atip or a formal repackaging so to speak likely didn’t take place excuse me in 2009 this harry reid letter was written essentially trying to get sap access or special access program status for what we refer to as atip but in the book it kind of shows that this was an introduction of the atip word that this was an unclassified way of referring to asap which essentially took the spotlight off of this program that they wanted to remain secret and essentially created a nickname they said in the book and again this is from the free preview based on preliminary data a letter had already been sent from senator harry reid to deputy secretary of defense william lynn on june 24 2009 requesting a sap or special access program for awsap as detailed in chapter 10 the decision to create the sap was postponed but the urgent need persisted oddly enough the primary legacy of the letter was the new unclassified nickname the advanced aerospace threat identification program or a tip created exclusively for use within the unclassified letter the atip acronym was adopted much later to describe a small unofficial effort within the dod to investigate uaps encountered by the military the new york times article in december of 2017 mistakenly linked the 22 million dollar in funding to atip not assab asap was the change

asep was the official name of the 22 million dollar program and was never changed atip was not a funded program

now that’s completely contradictory to what we’ve been told about how asap morphed to atip in 2008 well the book is completely contradicting that narrative and it isn’t right what’s interesting to point out about harry reid is the shifting of viewpoints when it comes to this because in 2009 he had said in his letter that he had seen enough to try and get what he was referring to as atip a sap status but years later he did an interview and a journalist asked him were you ever briefed on the findings of of of the program and were you staying involved uh in the new york magazine article published in march of 2018 the journalist says when the program was running was this something that you would be briefed on frequently were you briefed on it ever harry reid said no i left everybody alone nope

journalist followed up you were never briefed harry reid says that that’s not my style nope how is it that you as a senator would essentially go and fight for sap status on something which by the way i cannot find any example outside of this storyline of a sitting u.s senator getting involved in a program that’s already underway trying to request certain status in this in this manner that doesn’t mean that it hasn’t happened that’s just kind of unorthodox once funding goes senators aren’t generally involved in the day-to-day business of dia or nsa or cia or dod or whomever so the fact that he was involved shows you that there was something else going on he had obviously been briefed enough which by the way i don’t think i pulled it but uh there’s a quote about them briefing harry reid in the book i think so you know it it shows that what version of his story do you want to believe because as time goes on we’re getting more and more information that is simply creating more and more confusion and generating more and more questions than it is answers in a mystery wire interview again credit to george knapp yes the name a tip and this is from james lickatsky quote yes the name atip was a nickname for asap for certain security reasons that we’ve put into the book but the difference between assap with the nickname atip at dia and a tip at the pentagon is quite distinct oshap had 22 million in funding it covered military and civilian ufos yielding a massive database it also had a main contract and subcontracts now a tip in the pentagon as described in the articles was basically zero funded looked at specific military ufo encounters and very important ones because they had film and it had no contract so getting back to how did this mix-up occur i think it’s not deliberate it’s not due to authors to television personalities etc it’s the fact that we were running not an official app but a closed program and he goes on and on so is who’s to blame for the confusion i’m not really sure but when you talk about the key players involved none of them agree either so we can talk about the media in one breath and that’s fine i’ve done that on this channel before and have made extensive videos about the horrible um the the the horrible reporting when it comes to this topic but now when you look at the actual statements from everybody and the story lines and and what comes out in books like this and you know rumor has it there’s more books coming when you look at all of that and nothing matches up what are we as the general public led to believe about this was this all kosher and up and up and that brings me to my next section which really upsets some people but it is something that truly puts all of this into context now for many years i’ve talked about the concept of a sweetheart deal now essentially in plain english what i mean by that is the fact that that assap was a creation for bass to get x amount of dollars in the tunes of tens of millions if not a lot more i don’t believe that 22 million dollars was supposed to be a cap but tens of millions of dollars in a program that was catered for robert bigelow and bass now that happens in government and military so i’m sorry it just happens right it’s not something that i like or dislike but it’s the reality of what’s going on but it also puts into proper context what it is that we’re actually dealing with and what it is that we’re actually talking about now one of the main things on why i get attached to this is a lot of you who are watching this are into ufos and you know me as somebody who loves the topic and i do i preface a lot of what i do with saying i believe the phenomena is real i believe it warrants scientific scrutiny i believe funding should be put forward uh to look into it and i fully support the uap task force and its mission to try and uncover what all this is but in the same respect i am a researcher and an investigator who has dug in for decades through the freedom of information act on information that goes well beyond ufos and where i uh want to bring this up is this is a crossroads for me uh because i take personal biases or i try i’m only human of course i’m going to have you know something in it that that is within me that makes me lean a certain way but i truly try hard uh not to do that and this is a crossroads for me because i want all of this to be real and i look into it uh for the reason that i i believe that there’s something to the ufo topic but in the same respect i look into a lot of government waste and wasteful spending and through the years have gotten you know quite a few different news agencies and media outlets to cover documents that i’ve come out with on various topics a prime example was years ago quite a few years with one of those stimulus packages how they spent 18 million dollars for the recovery.gov website like how does a website cost 18 million dollars and for it to be a disaster um pro publica also had a lawsuit to get a lot of that stuff out uh so so credit to them as well involved in those stories 16.7 million dollars for canned pork uh and so i’ve got the fda contract on all of that craziness 1.5 million dollars for cheese and and it goes on and on so that’s what i do and this is where the concept of a sweetheart deal whether or not it deals with ufos or not comes into play for me because that’s who i am as a researcher and somebody who looks into these topics and looks at a 22 million dollar dollar sign and whether or not this truly was appropriated properly and what if that 22 million dollars went to the you know let’s say office of naval intelligence for the uap task force or wherever could that have been appropriated more properly where they don’t focus on let’s say cryptozoology stuff and and cryptids and dino beavers and some other stuff that that that i can’t say without laughing that rather if you focused on the nuts and bolts aspect of this phenomena that we know is real what could that 22 million dollars have purchased elsewhere so that’s that crossroads for me but i want to deal a little bit with that sweetheart deal narrative because for years i’ve talked about it as a possibility and you know what with the with the publishing of of this book uh and now james lakatsky on the record truly not third hand information but his words in a book with his name on it i believe now it’s solidified

solidified that it is a sweetheart deal does that take away from results before i dig into this no of course not where are the results is the question so even though i don’t believe that it takes away from the results my big question is where are those results and if there was something yielded from the 22 million dollars where is it and if it’s classified and heavily classified at that then they wouldn’t be talking about asap and atip and writing books about it because the idea concepts and these findings and realities of dino beavers and uh man like wolves or whatever that if that all happened you’re not going to be able to talk about that if it’s highly classified so if it is unclassified and they’re able to talk about it where are the results and that is one of the biggest questions that we still have yet to answer when we get into this concept of a sweetheart deal because if this was truly a sweetheart deal and the money was catered for robert bigelow and he doesn’t want to share it uh i’m not not saying that that’s the reality but where is everything if that is the reality then we have a lot more questions than even i thought about this whole thing so anyway concept of a sweetheart deal so these are some of the the facts that we’ve learned here uh in the last few years and some with this book as well we know that robert bigelow this man over here owns bigelow aerospace and who created the subsidiary that we know as bass as the one that got this contract we know that senator harry reid is instrumental in that there’s there’s really kind of no debating that uh robert bigelow’s headquarters is in nevada and when this man senator harry reid uh was the majority leader and and uh was in the senate he was in so for the state of nevada so these guys were obviously in the same state and with the success of a billionaire who creates jobs and creates uh money flowing into that state this man here is obviously very happy so there is motivation for the one to take care of the other now the other two gentlemen that don’t get mentioned a whole lot and we just hear again third hand information would be senators ted stevens and daniel inyue both of which are the late they have both passed away so that’s why i say most of what we hear is all third-hand information and we don’t really know the role i’m sorry if any that they really played in getting that we just have to believe and and trust uh the book itself we’ve learned that harry reid’s connection to robert bigelow goes back to the knidsdays back to 1996 when reed had attended one of the board meetings for nids and he was very impressed by it lots of scientists lots of uh you know big names uh not the the tinfoil hat people that i’m sure most politicians are scared of these were big people that apparently is the root of harry reid’s interest in robert bigelow nids all things ufos paranormal skinwalker ranch and and it’s rooted back to 1996.

now we know the connection then between robert bigelow and harry reid extended far beyond uh friendship they were also uh in the tunes of thousands of dollars worth of donations from not only robert bigelow but also his late wife diane bigelow all under the banners a lot of times under the bigelow companies uh bigelow development aerospace llc and it probably extends farther beyond this i just don’t know all the names of everybody but these are all verifiable contributions all through um 2004 a little bit before then a couple years later asap was awarded and then these thousands of dollars of donations from robert bigelow ironically around the time that they were saying that they were cutting the asap funding which is you know probably just a coincidence but obviously again a a relationship that extends far beyond the professions or or just a friendship that there were thousands of dollars in donations that were going forward enter james lekatsky he again was the dia scientist he was a rocket scientist who in the leaked reports uh that’s really how we knew his name before but nobody wanted to say his name uh he was on the leaked reports as being the asap program manager and so that also was a cause for confusion hey what about mr elizondo didn’t he wasn’t he the manager what is this and uh in the early days that really caused a lot of confusion since then we got clarity that uh mr elizondo said hey we uh we’re two different programs he led us excuse me a tip elizondo led a tip in the pentagon lakatsky was awesapp at the dia dr lizkowski says the following on page 20 for those who have the book reading hunt for the skinwalker which is by the way the original book that was written by george knapp and i think colm kelleher uh as well about skinwalker ranch created uh quite a bit of hoopla many many years ago uh so back to the quote i’m sorry reading hunt for the skinwalker back in march of 2007 intrigued likkatsky i read the book cover to cover likkatsky says i was legitimately interested in this as useful to the military and useful to my particular group which was looking at possible threats to new weapons systems that’s what attracted my attention so that kind of gives a time frame march of 2007. likkatsky gets a personal interest into skinwalker ranch specifically this ranch in utah that allegedly has all of this paranormal activity there’s a little flow chart for you in 2007 this is from senator harry reid by the way page what is that 14 uh in the roman numeral in 2007 i received a telephone call from bob bigelow regarding a letter he had received from the defense intelligence agency or dia that also timestamps it that lakatsky writes robert bigelow and says i want to visit skinwalker ranch bigelow immediately turns around and calls his buddy harry reid to kind of have everything checked out as the story slash legend goes if you want to call it that lakatsky visits the the um skinwalker ranch and actually has which he recounts in the book a paranormal experience and he’s convinced at this point that money needs to go to this research now again keep in mind that this is 2007 according to the book enter harry reid ted stevens daniel anyway that they according to senator harry reid on page 16 in the roman numeral quote thus the advanced aerospace weapon system applications program was conceived senators stevens anyway and i allocated 22 million dollars to get the program started a government request for proposal was put out and bob bigelow’s company secured the bid that was the 22 million dollars that went to bass according to the pentagon this is how it was funded the program commenced in fiscal year 2008 with 10 million dollars appropriated in the defense supplemental appropriation act the first 26 reports were complete completed by late 2009 the defense appropriation act for fiscal year 2010 included an additional 12 million dollars for the program and 12 additional reports were produced that’s quoted from susan goff pentagon spokesperson that culminated from dia statements and so on and so forth i’m putting her name because that was the last time i received a version of it but james kudlah from dia also gave me portions of that even goes back to audresha harris from the pentagon in early 2018 when i was communicating with her back then senator harry reid also on page 16 as the united states senate majority leader i decided to meet in a classified location in the united states capitol with two key members of the appropriations process the two members of the appropriations committee who controlled the dark money the non-public money were republican senator ted stevens of alaska and democratic senator dan inway of hawaii now i’m bringing up this because dark money has come up that the phrasing dark money has come up quite a few times when it comes to harry reid and to be blatantly honest with you and i could be completely off base or missing something big i have no idea what in the hell he’s referring to when you talk about black budget programs sure i i obviously know what he’s referring to dark money is something different and really doesn’t have to do with government spending but rather uh corporations namely non-profit corporations and how they donate to political campaigns ironically one of the biggest outspoken senators on dark money was senator harry reid himself these two articles i pulled from various years 2014 and 2015 harry reid says dark money in campaigns threatens democracy another headline harry reid joins call for obama to take action on dark money now i don’t believe he’s using the right phrasing and it completely contradicts the pentagon and what they are documenting in these fiscal year acts and the appropriations bills on what senator harry reid is doing so i’m not sure what he’s referring to if there’s something i’m missing please guys help me out uh i believe that maybe he’s just erroneously referring to black budget money um but even that doesn’t make sense because according to the pentagon they fully admit the money was on the books and they show where it came from on top of that senator harry reid in this book said that he and the two other senators allocated 22 million dollars well i would politely argue that was impossible for him to do he could get the original money or put it in a bill somehow but there was no cap if you look at the documentation of what assap was all about it was supposed to extend far beyond two years maybe even to five years and beyond but after a review in 2009 after the dia had started it they felt they were not getting anything beneficial so then the funding was cut after that second year george knapp was the one that showed screenshots of the first contract that was signed for that first year the total amount 10 million dollars it coincides with what the pentagon says there’s in my opinion no way that senator harry reid then could understand number one that they would get a second year because it was an option but number two that it would be for the total of 12 million so senator harry reid or in my opinion any senator for that matter or committee or whatever in 2008 or excuse me 2007 i think he said in the book they couldn’t allocate 22 million dollars because the bills weren’t even written yet and that money that came from those bills wasn’t even determined yet so for that whole portion of the story and i know it sometimes gets dicey and confusing when you start talking about this level stuff it shows that i believe senator harry reid is wrong and i’m sorry his use of the word dark money makes no sense to this story but he’s used that so many times i had to point it out and on top of that senator reid was against the true definition of dark money as a whole going back to the idea that that sweetheart deal we know from a statement that i got back in march of 2019 that there was only one bidder on this contract that could have potentially equaled tens of millions of dollars should the option go to five years and beyond the fact that no other contractor would try and bid on a public notice in 2008 doesn’t make really any sense now some have argued that that’s normal and that’s fine okay so let’s get beyond it i won’t i won’t beat the dead horse but bigelow aerospace was the only bidder that has never been disputed it was reported however erroneously that lockheed put a bid in that also was wrong

senator harry reid has said in interviews that he uh put the bid solution or excuse me that the government put the bid solicitation out and that bass got it because they were the most qualified at the time he never said they were the only one so what are the odds that this bid solicitation which i’ll show you here called the advanced aerospace weapon system applications program goes out for public bids and nowhere nowhere in that public bid solicitation as skinwalker ranch mentioned or uh excuse me or ufos or paranormal mentioned which would make skinwalker ranch incredibly valuable to bid on a contract like that saying hey if you want to look in the paranormal we have the prime spot for you or whatever none of that was in the public bid solicitation so what are the odds that out of all of those corporations llcs or whomever is cleared to bid on a contract the one person that actually bids on it strikes the jackpot because its ceo robert bigelow has this invested interest in ufos and paranormal so we’re led to believe that asap when it went out withheld some of those other details from the public bid notice because some have argued they were classified others say that they were embarrassed by it yeah pick your explanation doesn’t matter but man did robert bigelow hit the jackpot when he just got lucky and was the only bidder that allowed him to do paranormal fun house research or was he tipped off now let’s face it he was tipped off you can’t get around that if if we want to believe otherwise that’s fine but there’s no way that a dia scientist a year prior that then a year prior to this contract being awarded calls robert bigelow wants to go to skinwalker ranch has a paranormal experience comes back sets the the deals in motion to get word to harry reid 22 million dollars comes out of nowhere and boom this goes out for a public bid and voila bass is the only bitter no the reality is he was tipped off and this was catered to him another thing emerged too while looking at this book and kind of going over the documentation again this is a copy of version number three of the official notice for bid solicitations

why i say version three is there are three versions not a whole lot of difference it changed a couple little details but it really didn’t change the scope of the of the program they just save all the revisions online on theblackvault.com search the search engine for awesapp you will be able to download all of the different versions i have everything archived but while doing this presentation this was the date that you’ll notice here solicitation issue date august 18 2008 that’s when it went out that is when the dia said hey we want solicitations for this bid the due date was september 5th so pretty tight you didn’t have a whole lot of time to submit for this bid arguable on whether or not that’s standard or not but irrelevant for for my presentation here so we’ll just call it september 5th those dates are also backed up by sam.gov or which is now the find business opportunities website believe sam.gov has been rebranded uh but this is the archived version so september 5th was the due date and of course uh other websites as well all archives all verify september 5th was the due date now why do i say that well because um the book has september 10th so that could just be a typo but then in the appendix on page 184 they talk about the proposals that bass submitted to the defense intelligence agency saying hey look we’re the guy for you uh they were submitted uh three days after the the due date uh what happened there not really sure but it’s a discrepancy worth noting because well the due date was done so if nobody else was there what happened i i don’t know i really don’t have an answer to it uh but it’s important nonetheless this was the statement of objectives uh this was the essentially what ossap was all about this also is from that version three document no mention of paranormal no mention of you know uh ufos or or or anything in that genre uh it was all about looking at advanced uh aerospace technology and forward looking into the 40 years into the future uh looking at various lift propulsion uh so on and so forth on how things uh essentially could progress and that’s what this was supposedly all about in that same document from the get-go the program manager or the contracting officer was dr james lickatsky the same guy that visited skinwalker ranch and reached out to bigelow aerospace the year prior so you know it seems like it was kind of set up and in the book goes into even more detail about how dr lykotsky was instrumental in that so if we haven’t really figured out that this was catered for bass and robert bigelow yet i’m not sure how else to put it but this book solidifies that fact now here’s kind of a timeline of events some points are review some points are new but this is how it all unfolded march of 2007 likkatsky read hunt for the skinwalker the next month lakaski meets in the defense warning office with jonathan axelrod uh believed to be just a nickname to talk about tales of the paranormal he is within the the dwo was within the dia or defense intelligence agency axelrod takes the book to iraq while deployed somehow that you know gets the ball in motion that all of this was uh you know real june 19 2007 likkatsky writes to robert bigelow on dia letterhead to ask to visit his ranch now remember when i told you to put a pin in that doctor put off uh quote and then later elizondo had a 2007 start date for us app

that was all june of 2007 when they said that it started so is this the start of ossap did they did they already start putting money towards bigelow did they already choose him why are multiple key players involved saying 2007 contract wasn’t awarded until more than a year later and according to you know reports they weren’t aware of it they were just the lucky bidder so how did all that happen and how is it connected not really sure but it was an interesting date correlation when going through the book the next month july 26 2007 the cats came bigelow fly to utah to visit his ranch within 60 minutes of being on the property lickatsky had paranormal experiences seeing quote unearthly technological device that had quote silently appeared out of nowhere in the adjacent kitchen it looked to be a complex semi-opaque yellowish tubular structure that’s page 39 and 40 for those who have the book in 2007 as well but it’s an unknown month but we know that it’s post lakatsky’s ranch visit bigelow briefed long-term friend as the book calls him senator harry reid on extraordinary history of uaps at the uap at the utah ranch excuse me as well on the recent astounding experience by a high-level dia analyst on the same ranch it did not take long to connect jim lukatsky with senators daniel inyway of hawaii and ted stevens of alaska in a capitol building meeting january of 2008 i tracked down the documentations the the documentation from the nevada secretary of state that shows that bigelow aerospace advanced space studies or bas as it was formed as a domestic limited liability company in nevada it was reported as well bass was set up only for osap the asap contract if that’s the case seems like he had prior knowledge if that’s not the case heck of a coincidence august 2008 asap bid solicitation notice is published in the biz ops website september 5th asap bids were due september 8th bas proposal volumes 1 through 3 were submitted and september 22nd 2008 the asap contract was issued to bass i know i spent a lot of time on the sweetheart deal but that frames what we are dealing with and in my book absolutely closes the deal when it comes to the sweetheart deal argument does that negate the findings no but where are the findings and that question still lingers to this day those findings could be in the reports that a lot of people are now referring to james lecatsky’s chapter in chapter three of the book voluminous high quality material more than a hundred separate reports as detailed in appendix one was submitted to the dia in just over 2 years of the program’s existence in addition the 11 databases within the asap bas data warehouse were delivered to dia while the massive holdings of the original analyst journals data and photographs remained in storage now those databases i’ll talk about in a couple of minutes but we have yet to refer to them in this presentation in short bass is said to have created 11 different databases all encompassing uf uap ufo events witness testimony all sorts of material that’s what those 11 databases are but don’t worry i’ll get to those a lot of those reports are probably spelled out in that original bid solicitation notice so a lot of it i’m not sure is it being framed to be much more interesting than it is these types of reports like um you know management plans for different tasks travel reports expenses so on and so forth all do for contracts like this but is that what he’s talking about with the hundreds of reports uh i don’t really know because the only thing we do know uh came through a freedom of information act request i did and i know that the federal federation excuse me of american scientists or fas uh stephen aftergood to be precise they as well had a case ongoing as did i for the and i’ll read it here all communications to and from the dia with the armed services committee in 2017 and in 2018 regarding the advanced aviation and at this time when i filed that’s how the government referred to it uh advanced aviation threat identification program or referred to as the advanced aerospace threat identification program or referred to as the advanced aerospace threat and identification program that was harry reid’s version the result was a letter that was written to john mccain in january of 2018 and this is where we discovered the reality of the durd reports and those durd reports were the 38 reports that were created under the asap contract now i’m going to read to you part of this letter because one word is key based on interest from your staff regarding the dia’s role in atip please find attached a list of all products produced under the atip contract for dia to publish the purpose of atip was to investigate foreign advanced aerospace weapon threats from the present out to the next 40 years and again we know 38 reports were given i dug it up in the congressional record log also in april of 2018 they also punched the published word a letter from the chief congressional relations division defense intelligence agency dod transmitting a list of all products produced under the advanced aerospace threat and identification program contract for the dia to publish to the committee of arms armed services so i was able to kind of dig up that this letter was referred to in official congressional record they received these three pages which listed all 38 reports so that is a breakdown of the published reports through atip notice how the letter didn’t say assap now why not if atip was just a nickname when it came to dia um on paper that meant nothing to really anybody um when it came to funding to a senator and so on so was this the same thing that they’re trying to keep it secret or is there another layer here that we haven’t really understood but asap was not involved it should be noted however that this does kind of coincide with the pentagon’s explanation that atip was the overall program and the portion that was contracted out was known as ossap now according to lukatsky uh ossapp was the program atip was kind of a nickname and then when you talked to luis elizondo asap was a dia program and a tip was a dod program um you know uh uh quite a few different definitions dr halpothof also just calls it a nickname so uh who do you believe on that one not really sure uh but there’s a lot of question marks here just kind of a quick side note about um some history here asap as a whole as a program looking at forward looking technology and what might be there isn’t anything new i had dug up this uh program from 1972 called project outgrowth it was headed by a franklin b mead and run through the air force rocket propulsion laboratory uh in essence they were looking at major propulsion developments that may occur in the next 30 to 40 years it was a forward-looking program very much like ossap and essentially what they were looking for were advancements in propulsion one of the same exact angles of study for asap and how it may progress over the next 30 to 40 years ironically asap was labeled as through the next 40 years do the math from 1972 you’re looking at about 35 years or so after project outgrowth that asap was essentially conceived uh and borne out so it’s a very interesting maybe just a coincidence correlation that this program preceded asap was very much looking at very similar things and had a very similar time frame of 40 years looking into the future you’ll see number nine here in the 1970s program was looking at actually how you can propel a ship using your mind or psychokinesis they labeled it as movement of objects by mental forces although recent developments indicate small object may be propelled by this technique too much basic research is needed before this method can be considered for propulsion applications so they were looking at incredibly fringe areas of science as well and so now that the pentagon has kind of revamped their statement did did bigelow insert ufos in very much a similar fashion uh and then that’s where the confusion comes from or was this that sweetheart deal and it was something else entirely on paper it was yeah let’s do some research into lift and propulsion and so on and so forth uh materials and and uh whatever the other 38 dirt reports are but in reality all that money went to paranormal you know cryptid research which is bizarre

uh a lot of you asked about dr um eric davis today uh and whether or not you know he’s he really briefed in a classified setting about off-world vehicles i’ll deal with that in a second but one interesting thing when when looking at project outgrowth and franklin mead as i told you about this is how tightly niched these these scientists and this research is and this may mean absolutely nothing but i kind of found it a little bit fascinating that this these documents and programs were separated by decades and decades yet when you start digging in here is a ball lightning study that was awarded to warp drive metrics that is the company for this man here dr eric davis now we know that he wrote five of those durd reports i showed you all 38 he had written five of them he was contracted by his pal dr hal put off and for an untold amount of money and he authored these five uh durd reports what’s interesting about this ball lightning study though this was outside of ossap so i had nothing to do with that was written in 2003 but was really interesting was the project manager on eric davis’s ball lightning study which was franklin mead the same guy that did that asap like program decades prior and in fact if you continue to dig you’ll see that eric davis and franklin mead then later would author a document together about laser-like craft propulsion now all of this is well over my head when it comes to science but very interesting that number 31 on the 38 list was about laser lightcraft technology authored by dr eric davis so you can see how tightly niched all of these people and these realms of research really were and when you dig you see that they really are connected in the most bizarre way now back to your questions about did he brief congress about off-world vehicles now for those who aren’t aware i did a full video about off-world vehicle technology uh and the claims made by the new york times and that horrific journalism job that was later corrected on numerous fronts they also made corrections that they never noted i go through that in the video and i’ll be honest with you i do not believe the claims by eric davis that he briefed in a classified setting or otherwise about off-world vehicles he may have had a meeting he may have sat with a senator congressman house of representatives whomever committee even and maybe had a meeting i don’t buy that it was a class of in a classified setting and i don’t buy that he was really driving the point home about quote-unquote off-world vehicles simply put the existence of off-world vehicles would be a highly classified piece of knowledge we all know that uh there’s no getting away from it if it wasn’t an ace atip or asap or whatever really did find it and it was unclassified in nature you better bet your bottom dollar that robert bigelow luis elizondo james lakatsky or any one of those players would have talked about it and confirmed it by now but they haven’t all we get are these shrouded convoluted uh cloak and dagger type you know fun stories that may allude to it but we never get the confirmation so let’s say it really does exist the government military has off-world vehicles well let’s face it it would be highly classified and no they would not be talking about it or publishing it in the new york times and the mess that became of that article with all of the corrections i think we can all dismiss the notion and no i don’t believe dr eric davis is as connected as some people want us to believe i wanted to address that though because of so many questions i got today on social media about it those 11 databases that were created is one of the last things that i’m going to go over for you guys and timing wise it’s working out pretty perfect the data warehouse that they created these 11 databases again was a culmination of ufo sightings and witness testimony hopefully you know photos videos whatever they may be but just it sounds like a massive amount of data now where is that data according to the book they turned at least part of it over to the dia but the question mark is where is it now is it classified and if it is how can you classify something that came from the general public which is what dr lakatsky said they were looking into so if i take a picture or video of a ufo and it’s not a top secret aircraft it is not taken by classified technology and i am nowhere near a government or military uh either employee or enlistee uh can they classify it and then the question from or excuse me i think the answer to that question would be no so the now the question is where is all that data and we have absolutely no idea i was unaware and maybe i just missed it that the

number of databases totaled 11. i was only aware of one and the one database or at least the start of the database anyway that i was well aware of that really i don’t see enough people talking about is the mufon database that that has collected for decades upon decades uh material uh and and sightings and photos and videos and so on and so forth uh witness testimony but on top of that their personal and confidential information all went into this massive database that was purchased by robert bigelow back around the 2008 2009 time frame in fact the actual contract that bigelow and mufon signed with each other has no mention of a government program or defense intelligence agency or so on all we learned from the leak of this contract by a mufon member the late elaine douglas she brought this out in january of 2011 prior to ever knowing about asap or atip or bass uh being involved with the government uh we learned that it was for the sum of 672 thousand dollars that mufon got in uh made payable in 12 installments of 56 000 dollars that that is what robert bigelow got into now uh i want to point out because there’s a lot to this story and i’m not going to go into all of it for a couple different reasons but i will point you to this website here by roger glassel and kirk collins i believe it’s kurt’s website uh but the article itself the pentagon ufo program’s secret partner uh they both authored that and that is at blueblurrylines.com look it up they do a lot of research and a big deep dive into it i am not going to do the same i’m just going to brush the surface and ask you guys a couple of questions because i think a lot of people are really not dealing with this now we made a we were all kind of made aware of this in 2009 and you’ll see it’s kind of a blurry picture this is the best image i can find of it this much younger and skinnier version of myself i was the emcee of mufon’s international symposium for about a decade at the time this man here was uh james carrion he was the international director of mufon and here we have robert bigelow now we know robert bigelow had invested into mufon in turn they created i believe this was the origin of their star team but essentially they were looking for when those ufo reports came in and the photos the videos whatever and they went into mufon which was the number one place for people to report guess who had first dibs on them robert bigelow but what was not known to the general public at the time was that it was just being funneled right back in to the defense intelligence agency a military run intelligence um agency so that is one of the biggest aspects to this story that i think we should start pushing on that how can a military arm of our intelligence community the dia want to get into watching what united states citizens see then keeping that information but never informing the general public how much of this gets into very dicey areas and my first guess would be a lot of it yet i don’t see a whole lot of people talking about this and to me i will i will just pose this question did the dia even want this if this was not part of ossap then what problems does this create that taxpayer money through a private corporation acquired all of that personal information now this gentleman right here james carrion who i’ve known for many many years wrote a big expose on this that has since been removed uh but you can find it here if you’re watching the video on this internet archive link uh follow the magic thread was his blog strange bedfellows was the article here’s two things that he wrote mr bigelow did not fund mufon’s work for bass instead quote sponsors that bigelow revealed to john schussler who’s the uh one of the founders of mufon but not to other mufon board members put up the money that sponsor the defense intelligence agency so is this alleging that the dia again that intelligence arm of the united states military put money in to purchase all of that information and if so what ramifications could occur from that another thing he wrote during the project mufon provided both historical mufon files as well as current mufon case files including witness information to bass to cover mufon legally the mufon ufo reporting form was modified to collect the witnesses permission to offer their citing data to a third party the only third party being bas but what happened before that modification took place all of those other people who felt that government bad i see ufo i go to mufon because they’re good all of a sudden just had all of their information taken and given right to the united states government how is any of that kosher or okay and what makes sense is that the government would not do this because another big problem about all of this is that none of it fits into the purview of the defense intelligence agency’s mission when you look at what the dia does they don’t investigate u.s properties in utah that allege paranormal activity because that’s not what they do they’re an intelligence arm that provides mostly foreign intelligence on different types of countries and so on and so forth so why would they care about this now if they argued that it was the fbi a domestic law enforcement agency and they tied in potential uh criminal activity uh that that in turn kind of researched some of that paranormal activity okay i can see that but that’s not the story this is a military intelligence arm that again is the dia i don’t want to go farther than that to be blatantly honest because there’s way too much that you can get into about the purchasing of united states citizen information in relation to ufos and uaps in what they thought was a confidential submission to a corporation known as mufon i will let all of you start asking those questions but i hope with what this presentation showed you is that there is a lot of unanswered questions and i didn’t even scratch the surface you can look at the statements interviews and so on of quite a few of these key players and you can see how the stories have shifted over time i call it like a fine wine in some areas the stories get better with age so what’s going on why why are we going through this now some i saw somebody mention on twitter today why does it matter at this point you know we’ve got the uap task force and they’re looking at ufos and all of that is good and you know what that part is good and if this is what um this has has kind of morphed into then great i i love that the task force is there the phenomena deserves that scrutiny and funding as i said but in the same respect we have to look at the root of all of this and we have to look at what really have we been told in the last few years and how not only this book but simple research and looking into the claims by many of these people makes a lot of this fall apart some of it our dead horses that we’ve beat for a couple years now will probably never have answers other parts of this stems from the publishing of this book and the revelation by a new voice an old name but a new voice that is now in the ring and some of the claims he has made really throw a lot of this for the loop for a loop and so when we look at all of that in the end we have more questions than answers we have no idea what that program discovered because in this book i don’t have any i didn’t see any scientific test results that shows that the dia shows a dna evidence of a dino beaver or the fact that there’s some kind of portal within skinwalker ranch or that uf ufos and uaps are miraculously skirting all of our coastal defense lines and somehow appearing over this ranch i don’t see that i see a lot of speculation i see some great scientists who are a heck of a lot smarter than me but where are the results because if the united states taxpayer funded this those results are ours and they’re ours to share and nobody owns them this was a contract asap was a contract not a grant and with that being said there’s no rhyme or reason if it’s not classified and it’s not a a breach of personal confidential information that we should not see it so this is what in my opinion should happen next we need somebody that is intimately involved in this to say that the results are classified the results and if they can’t say that why not because if they truly are that classified we wouldn’t have ever heard about asap or atip and that is proven by history over time that highly classified programs whether it be stealth technology drones whatever the mere existence of a program that encompasses top secret technology classified technology or whatever the mere existence of it is classified you wouldn’t be talking about it so what is it we need more clarity and at this point i don’t know who’s telling the truth or not i know who returns my phone calls i know who is nice i but that doesn’t make them honest but i know who is nice i know who i found common ground with and i know who dodges me i believe that these types of questions that i put forward here in the last whatever it’s been hour and a half or so these types of questions have to be answered this is not as clear-cut as some people want us to believe this is not as kosher as some people want us to believe and it’s not as clean as some people want us to believe it is a mess and it’s a mess because of the main people and players involved that have come out with their respective stories and the fact that none of them align that they all have contradicting information and again some of those are dead horses i’ve beat for quite some time and some of this is new but it hasn’t gone away but i fall back on that one point that i’ll punch one more time before i say goodnight and that is if the united states taxpayer funded this then the results are ours and if somebody wants to say those results are there but are classified then let’s get together work as a team and try and band together and get those results out if there are no results then it was a waste of 22 million dollars because they were running around looking at dino beavers and man like wolves or whatever else that all could be very cool stuff and i love that but it’s not dia money it’s just not that would be better served with let’s say the national science foundation or somewhere else and that portion of the research should there be anything to be bore out should be through those agencies and scientific findings should be shared with the general public but instead we get these cloak and dagger type stories convoluted statements and very few people want to talk but when they do talk they only talk to a very few people and it ends up being a mess in the end anyway so that to me is why with osap and atip confusion reigns and con and questions still linger and until we get some of those answers and until some people want to talk none of this is going away and more i believe will come out and arise i will say this one last time buy it i i do believe that everybody should have all the information possible i only scratched the surface but i hope that this motivates other people to not be afraid to ask questions and in the last 48 hours of the recording of this video i’ve seen some big players and big names essentially harp on people like myself and others who are asking questions well you know what i’m a united states taxpayer and i deserve to know the answers if it’s not classified or doesn’t encroach on somebody’s personal confidential information other than that i believe we all should have the answers to this and that is why i do what i do is to get those answers i hope you guys enjoyed it thank you so much for sticking around i’m sure i’ll do a live ask me anything ama video soon but for now this is john greenwald jr signing off and we’ll see you next time

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